Master Post for Semi Lightweight Barrel Shootout

This post is a master archive for everything surrounding the Semi Lightweight Barrel Shootout.  The test was conducted over veterans day weekend of 2016.  The data was processed over several weeks following and as a result it became some what hard for the casual observer to jump into.  When reading this information remember that during much of the ammo presentation we did not know which barrel or ammo had shot the best and we simply presented it as we found it.


The original post can be found @ SLW Barrel Shoot Out.  We fluctuated back and forth with the procedure for the test and it went from something we could do for a good time to concentrating on presenting everything clearly.


Testing went relatively smooth but we found early that we would be presenting fewer groups than we would have liked and the process was taking longer than we had hoped.  All barrels shot one ten shot group of each of the ten ammo selections.  Then they fired two five shot groups of each of the ten ammo selections.  Resulting in 60 rounds fired of each ammo and 600 match grade rounds being fired overall.

We went after the ammunition break downs first and each of the ten can be found in the links below.
Australian Outback 69gr

PPU 69gr

Black Hills 69gr

Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr

PPU 75gr

PMC 77gr

ASYM 77gr

Federal Gold Medal Match 77gr

CBC 77gr

IMI 77gr

The data from each of the ammunition types was compiled in a Data Summery found @ SLW BARREL SHOOTOUT AMMO DATA SUMMARY

Finally we compared the barrels using both Extreme Spread and Mean Radius

We also have an ammunition comparison adding price in as a factor found in the Price for Performance rundown.

If you enjoyed reading about this particular test share with a friend.  We learned a lot on how we wanted to share data in the future and how much we could attack in a given time frame.

Barrel overview using mean radius/average to center on targets

Before we talk about any of our own data I feel it is important to talk about what mean radius is and what it should mean in terms of accuracy reporting.  Any time someone talks about accuracy or precision as a general subject they quantify that using the term MOA.  MOA stands for minute of angle and is an angular measurement.  Generally speaking when they use this term they are talking about the measurement of extreme spread which they are showing the furthest outside two shots.  With an extreme spread you can have multiple ten shot groups that may look very very different but can be reported as the same size.


The above group illustrates how two groups which look very different could be misinterpreted.  The group on the right at .646 MOA extreme spread would be considered larger than the .643 MOA extreme spread on the left.  The are very close and could be a calculation error.  The reality is that the group on the left is much tighter with one outlier shot.  This isn’t necessarily a ‘flier’ or shot that should be removed from the group information but it surely shouldn’t define the entire group.  This is where mean radius comes into play.  By measuring each rounds displacement from the center of the group we can compare groups based off of the average deviation form the center of the group thus incorporating every round of the group rather than the two furthest groups.  The average to the center of the target on the left is .176 while the target on the right is almost twice as dispersed at .309.

Extreme spread has held its hold on shoddy reporting thanks to its ease of use.  Technology has taken over most aspects of our life but it seems to just be too easy for a shooter to approximate the furthest two shots (or often times eliminate the furthest and compare only the interior most groups)

Luckily there is great software out that we can easily process group sizes.  One such product is ontarget when you process groups through on target you can quickly compare extreme spread as with average to center instantly.  If you see other shooters presenting groups you can also quickly find a reference point and find the mean radius for comparison sake.

So how did our barrels and ammo compare when measuring every round of the group rather than just the extreme spreads?  (note some of the graphs were made by Ryan and are good.  The graphs with no Black Hills info are made by yours truly.  The computer genius)

Lets start with the Ammunition mean radius averages


Right away we must remind that the ten round group for the Black Hills 69 grain was only 8 rounds for one barrel.  So 1/3 of the 10 round groups are slightly skewed and the combined data will be slightly different.  For that reason when we get to the barrel information there will be two graphics one with BH and one without.

Using mean radius we still see a rather tight pack among the full data of the ammunition results.  We still instantly pick up the larger PPU groups and find that it wasn’t a single or even a few misplaced rounds that sent the extreme spread to be the largest but the averages of the rounds to be routinely larger than the counterparts.


ammo-group-average-10-round-atcWhen showing just the ten round groups we see similar groups that do not line up as well as the others mostly the PPU offerings.  I feel compelled to remind again that the 10 shot group data for the Black Hills 69 had one excellent group of 8 rounds.

ammo-group-average-5-round-atcIn the five round groups we see the Black Hills is higher and is represented with a full sample size.

The barrel results are easier to read and compare.

5-round-group-average-atcI am leading off with the 5 shot groups as there are twice as many samples for them.  We also do not have any contamination in them.  The scale on this bar graph is at a very close examination.  There is only a difference of .04 moa over all the 5 round groups.  The three barrels all shot very well.

all-groups-average-atcWhen comparing all groups the criterion is about .05 moa tighter than both the BA and Larue offerings but this includes data for Black Hills 10 shot groups.

imageThe combined groups graph without Black Hills quickly shows off that I am a cave man that isn’t capable of simple computer tasks.  I couldn’t figure out how to put the numbers into the top and Ryan had actual things to do on a friday night. The figures are

Ballistic Advantage .584

Criterion .539

Larue .586

This doesn’t represent a huge change but it made me uncomfortable presenting data that was skewed.  I try to remind anyone looking at this that no groups were left out and any discrepancy from our method is noted.

10-round-group-average-atcTen shot groups with the BH data have been shown at a narrow range.  Remember that we are only looking at a difference of .11 moa from 1st to 3rd.

atc-10-shot-no-bhWithout Black Hills data again using my computer skills the values are

Ballistic Advantage .691

Criterion .607

Larue .660

The change from data containing all rounds and the data exluding the Black Hills 69 grain had no real change on the Ballistic Advantage or Larue barrels the Criterion had a shift from .5807 to .607.  This didn’t change much but is now representing a .09 moa change.

Below is each ammo broken down by barrel.  ppu-75gr-atc-barrel-data

asym-77gr-atc-barrel-data cbc-77gr-atc-barrel-data fgmm-77gr-atc-barrel-data imi-77gr-atc-barrel-data pmc-77gr-atc-barrel-dataaustralian-outback-69gr-atc-barrel-data black-hills-69gr-atc-barrel-data

It needs to be noted that the criterion 10 shot is mislabeled as a 10 shot when it is actually an 8 shot group.



SLW Barrel Shootout – CBC 77gr Ammo Performance

The second ammo we are posting the data for is one of my favorite ‘go-to’ 5.56 rounds, the CBC 77gr OTM (also sold as Magtech First Defense Sniper). It has always been a good shooting round for me and I have shot it (successfully!) out to 1000 yards. It is also one of the most affordable rounds we shot (if you can find it in stock) at $0.59 – $0.69 a round.

All Chrono data was measured by a LabRadar Doppler Chronograph and the data was pulled from the strings saved to its SD card

All target measurements were done with OnTarget Precision Calculator software.

The CBC 77gr shot an average of 2637.317 fps between the 60 shots fired out of the 3 different 16″ barrels we tested. The CBC 77gr load had one of the highest velocities, second only to IMI 77gr however it also had one of the higher Standard Deviations of all the ammo tested. The graph below shows the shot to shot velocity of each string and also the average of each string at the end (data point 11). Further down is the raw data that this graph was generated from.



Ballistic Advantage (Series 1) Ballistic Advantage (Series 2)
Stats – Average 2634.06 fps Stats – Average 2632.84 fps
Stats – Highest 2659.5 fps Stats – Highest 2661.37 fps
Stats – Lowest 2596 fps Stats – Lowest 2600.42 fps
Stats – Ext. Spread 63.5 fps Stats – Ext. Spread 60.95 fps
Stats – Std. Dev 24.18 fps Stats – Std. Dev 19.76 fps
Shot ID V0 11/12/2016 Shot ID V0 11/13/2016
1 2655 15:21:32 1 2634 11:51:36
2 2596 15:21:55 2 2654 11:52:03
3 2659 15:22:06 3 2615 11:52:25
4 2608 15:22:22 4 2661 11:52:47
5 2624 15:22:39 5 2651 11:53:10
6 2655 15:22:56 6 2624 11:53:49
7 2621 15:23:09 7 2620 11:54:15
8 2659 15:23:23 8 2600 11:54:36
9 2650 15:23:37 9 2622 11:54:58
10 2613 15:23:50 10 2646 11:55:16
Criterion (Series 1) Criterion (Series 2)
Stats – Average 2635.45 fps Stats – Average 2634.95 fps
Stats – Highest 2703.38 fps Stats – Highest 2666.39 fps
Stats – Lowest 2582.85 fps Stats – Lowest 2565.28 fps
Stats – Ext. Spread 120.53 fps Stats – Ext. Spread 101.11 fps
Stats – Std. Dev 36.73 fps Stats – Std. Dev 31.54 fps
Shot ID V0 11/12/2016 Shot ID V0 11/13/2016
1 2634 15:50:25 1 2662 13:30:48
2 2595 15:50:41 2 2665 13:31:15
3 2642 15:50:53 3 2649 13:31:49
4 2583 15:51:10 4 2606 13:32:16
5 2610 15:51:21 5 2646 13:32:36
6 2622 15:51:33 6 2565 13:33:33
7 2703 15:51:50 7 2620 13:33:56
8 2682 15:52:03 8 2627 13:34:20
9 2643 15:52:15 9 2642 13:34:49
10 2641 15:52:29 10 2666 13:35:14
LaRue (Series 1) LaRue (Series 2)
Stats – Average 2663.81 fps Stats – Average 2623.03 fps
Stats – Highest 2700.98 fps Stats – Highest 2670.25 fps
Stats – Lowest 2621.23 fps Stats – Lowest 2573.44 fps
Stats – Ext. Spread 79.74 fps Stats – Ext. Spread 96.81 fps
Stats – Std. Dev 25.82 fps Stats – Std. Dev 24.77 fps
Shot ID V0 11/12/2016 Shot ID V0 11/13/2016
1 2631 16:55:03 1 2637 11:34:52
2 2664 16:55:17 2 2614 11:35:14
3 2661 16:55:31 3 2670 11:35:43
4 2621 16:55:44 4 2614 11:36:06
5 2656 16:55:57 5 2619 11:36:24
6 2655 16:56:12 6 2573 11:37:06
7 2701 16:56:26 7 2625 11:37:26
8 2676 16:56:42 8 2610 11:37:51
9 2700 16:56:54 9 2629 11:38:13
10 2674 16:57:10 10 2639 11:38:39

Next are the targets, each barrel shot one 10 round and 2 5 round groups for a total of 60 rounds fired. Barrel 2 turned in the smallest group with a .784 MOA group and a 5 shot group average of 1.2285 MOA averaged between all 6 groups. As you can see there were numerous Sub-MOA groups between all 3 barrels with this ammo.